bit over two years. actually started with 24.5--occasionally i get this urge to just install new software without doing any research and see if it works out of the box. it did, (AFTER i figured out--all by myself ;p--how to resore it from the 'you must reinstall windows' screen) but it was ugly, so i did some reading, upgraded, and got some themes from the old purple ls.com. (i still remember staring at those hundreds of screenshots thinking, "good lord, there's over four hundred different styles here...i can make my desktop look however i want it to...) eventually started theming, began three but only released one. currently running tnl's 'xij' (slightly modified) on 24.7b3, winxp pro. i never run explorer unless i'm also running lsxcommand, hotkey, popup, and dynamp on top of it.