to each his own, and that's great, this is what hte internet is all about.

as it turns out, as with most things, it was my fault it wasn't working, more or less... the theme I was using had label.dll in it already... what I failed ot realise is that it wasn't the latest version and it didn't have the scroll ability, I updated it and all is well, works fine.

I appreciate all the help

I would very much appreciate lsxcommand working with winamp3, but that's up to you stimpy, if ya decide to do it, give me a shout