actually, the NLM for dynamp is in another file called skinbase.rc

i just tried all of those options in there too (after the NLM) with no success. Also tried the DynAmpWinampStartNormal command as well.

I know this is just a small thing but i like getting things exactly as i want them. Cheers for your help Devil but you dont need to waste any more time on this if you don't want to.

Cheers