Why couldnt you leave this in request. LIke the last one I put in there. The first to was an error with your site. I did read the doc on ckvwm. I have been trying to learn this stuff for the last couple of weeks. Thats it. All I asked for was a little help. Then when I was still having trouble I gave up and decided to leave it to someone who knew what they were doing. Now I won't be able to do that because you gotta move stuff around. I never asked you to move it. Dont threaten me. You got a sweet site man. I am not trying to get on to you but dont get onto me cuz I am trying to ask for a little help.