im guessing objectbar from the object desktop suite of prog's. I had it installed before going over to litestep. It's not NT either it a 98 thing i believe. I'm just glad i finally got everything workin....if i had to go over code in another .rc i think i'd flip. Next project i think i'll try n make my own theme...maybe i should reserve a padded cell at the mental hospital now tho...:P