jugg I can definately create one from scratch, but I do not have the time or patience to do that at this point. Plus alot of the themers out there have come up with some pretty cool sh** that I like. However, I just thought today that it was probably a single module causing the propblem since it only crashes on certain themes. I'll definately give that a try. Senine if debugging the jugg method doesn't pay off I'll certainly try that. Thanks for the responses guys (or gals thanks to the anonymous nature of the internet).