Ok found out that litestep works after a period of time...however it is theme dependant and its unstable as hell...a theme that was running a minute ago no long works when I selected a different theme...simplicity doesn't work, and only the themes that work with my box will keep litestep open...when it closes there are no error messages. And I only use the process window, I completely ignore applications window...I can right click if I want to close something that way :)