Got 1/2 of my ? answered I can cange the popup aka "menu" by editing the popup.rc in the personal folder. After I figure out how to move the taskbar around then I can move on to other stuff that I dont like about the theme. :) DeVilb0i i do plan on haveing fun learning, I am a programmer by trade so editing txt files dont bother me its trying to figure what part of the shell is controled by what txt file that is getting me.I figure I will spend some time editing other ppls work for awhile until i get the hang of what file does what.